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Jul 22, 2010 14:48:01 GMT -5
Post by tivikat on Jul 22, 2010 14:48:01 GMT -5
It's funny that you mention that, Aiedaile. I feel the exact same way, like I'm being physically attacked even though I'm sleeping. Never met anyone else who described that, hmmm.
I was going to mention the last time I felt attacked in my original post, but I decided to delete it. I'll share it now:
I fell asleep watching TV. I felt like someone was pressing me into my bed by pinning my shoulders and they....ummmm.....well...very unwanted contact. I'd rather not say exactly. The entity was a tall dark shadow of a man that I think I've encountered before when I was younger but it felt more angry and sinister. I kept telling myself to wake up and I couldn't. After a few minutes, I was able to get up and I checked all the windows and doors, that scary.
Have you ever felt like you've encountered demons? Just curious.
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Jul 22, 2010 15:32:11 GMT -5
Post by Saber on Jul 22, 2010 15:32:11 GMT -5
um ... demons ... well maybe just a dark spirit ... or yes well maybe demon ...
But I never felt threatened by it ... I don't know ... maybe it has to do , with my impression of not taking sides and my belief that angels aren't better than demons and so on ...
I feel like when i was tough about religion and the ''sides'' i was forced in beliefs that wouldn't be necessarily true ... I feel like the angels and demons (whatever you call them) just because there different doesn't mean that one should be taken as an enemy ...
i don't know ... its hard to explain , yeah i know ... sorry .
but i think i could have encountered demons ( or dark spirit) in a way ... but still ... it didn't feel like anything threatening ... maybe its just a spirit ...
sorry for the unclear explanations ... I don't get it myself ...
but as for ''attacks'' ... i get that in my dreams and its always the same sensation but as i come to wake up i feel something shaking my shoulders violently ... it freaks me out . that's when i figure out its a dream and after that i wake up ...
Its happened lately about maybe 3-4 times ... it makes me think of the movie called ''fourth kind'' it talks about sleep disorders and paranormal encounters with non-human intelligent forms ... and there where people disappearing ... the part that freaks me out is that as the scenes are shot there are the actual real footage about it , and it did actually happen ... (I mean there are real events that have happened )
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Aiedaile
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Jul 22, 2010 16:45:56 GMT -5
Post by Aiedaile on Jul 22, 2010 16:45:56 GMT -5
Several times. That's what tends to come to me when I'm sleeping. Also... My mate is a medium and there are things on the Astral realm that would rather see us dead for one reason or another and they have taken control of his body and attacked me (though those incidences are EXTREMELY rare and have not happened in quite some time).
I swear Tivikat... we're living similar lives. Our encounters with the Astral realm are almost identical and not in the good way.
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Jul 22, 2010 18:07:48 GMT -5
Post by tivikat on Jul 22, 2010 18:07:48 GMT -5
I want to check out that movie now, sounds scary or at least the stories. I don't think they want us dead. I think they get a kick out our reactions or it's some form of control. If they can keep you scared, they get what they want. I just googled and I found some useful stuff. www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm326041.html"Astral Combat There are many different beings that exist on the Astral Plane including beings of complete darkness also known as "Demons." They can take many different shapes but in my encounters they appeared as the silhouette of a human with nothing but darkness on the inside. They also emit very negative energies so believe me you'll know when your in the presence of one. I have actually been attacked by "Demons" on the astral plane. Yes they can and will attack you if your ever in the presence of one. Once attacked you have a couple of choices, you can run back to your physical body, fight back or you can call upon the name of God, EL, Jesus etc. any name that has to do with God they can't stand and they will back off and go away. During the times that I was attacked I fought back and even Killed a few of them so I thought, I later learned that you cannot kill them, they are only sent back to the plane from which they came. (I' am a student of the Martial Arts and also a witness that everything you learn in life isn't forgotten it becomes a part of you!) Unless your a Spiritual Warrior I wouldn't advise trying to fight back. Use the name of God and let him fight your battles for you... If you ever encounter one PLEASE don't let them scare you into a fear of Astral Projection.....That is their goal, to keep you from discovering the Truth and Developing Spiritually. There are ways in which you can protect yourself against "Demons". One of my favorites and most effective is by sprinkling Salt. Demons can't stand or tread on Salt, I believe that the reason for this is because it is a tool of God. remember Lot's wife?.. You can protect your home or sacred area from "Demons" By; 1.) Sprinkling Salt in the 4 corners of every room in your home 2.) Lacing your window seals and the tops of your Doors with salt 3.) Sprinkling a light layer of salt over your carpet. " I am sooo dumping salt everywhere. I've felt uncomfortable in my room the past few days. Maybe that's why I'm talking about it now or thinking about it is freaking me out. Religion plays into a lot of how we feel about good and evil. I was raised catholic and there was always that message of spiritual warfare. How I interpret light and dark probably has a lot to do with my upbringing. From what I've experienced, that is a difference between some dark entity and something purely evil (demonic). To me, they behaved differently. The demonic entity I've encountered, it didn't have a visual form until it was weak and all it wanted was a fight. In my first dream of it, I accidentally followed it to where it was hiding. After that, I was hearing voices in my head that were not mine. usually when I was hanging out watching tv. They were incoherent, and sounded inhuman. One voice was male, one female and the third was indistinguishable. I had two more dreams (NEVER TRUST 3!) in which, it was provoking me to fight. I killed it and I found out it was suppressing the spirits of local settlers. I actually tried to look for clues in my town library for more info but it turned up dry. I don't know if they were real. The dark entity just likes to pop in and out. It pops in, scares the crap out of you, gets the reaction it wants, goes away. That's just what I've seen, not everyone is going to see it the same way. I feel better sharing this and knowing I'm not the only one. I'm always afraid after these brushes with evil, it'll tarnish my soul as well. Or one night, I won't be so lucky and end up as dinner for something else. The moral of the story is you got to protect yourself. I'm going to study up on protection magic.
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Jul 22, 2010 19:41:44 GMT -5
Post by Saber on Jul 22, 2010 19:41:44 GMT -5
well the movie isn't a horror movie , its just to me , I'm paranoid at times also :b , and having the facts that it could be real , kinda freaks me out . O.O ...Imao but asides that its a pretty good movie ... but if you tend to freak out after a movie ( i usually don't , I'm just paranoid about this movie xD) you might freak out about this one ... still ... I'm paranoid ... but still , my friends found it creepy ... lolz ... its a good movie tough ... (and when i said i don't mind horror movie , its because literally , when i went to see one at the movies i was laughing like crazy , it was the movie called : drag me to hell ... IMAO my parents where looking at me weird ... ) so yeah that movie is among the few who freaks me out ... -- And @ tivitak , Oh i see you like things like spells ... i do as well ... its fun to see that you are open minded . -- and back to the demon thing ... i would like your opinion , when i said ; ''but i never felt threatened by it ... i don't know ... maybe it has to do , with my impression of not taking sides and my belief that angels aren't better than demons and so on ... i feel like when i was tough about religion and the ''sides'' i was forced in beliefs that wouldn't be necessarily true ... I feel like the angels and demons (whatever you call them) just because there different doesn't mean that one should be taken as an enemy ... '' - do you think that in a way it could result for not feeling of being attacked when i sense a ''dark'' spirit , and I've done astral traveling , and such .. . Ive been thinking that maybe religion could mix in this ... (I'm catholic) when my parents bring me to church , i really feel uncomfortable , like , not like as if i wouldn't belong , but a sense of ... i don't know it just really freaks me out . and when i think about (demons and angels) , when i mention or read about the underworld in myths and recent new age beliefs , i almost see the underworld beings (demons ) like only beings of sadness , and lost ... but i still see ''angels'' as being pure , but not necessarily better ... its like a sense of understanding for both of the spirits' natures ... but in a strange way ... as i think of underworld beings , i get a sense of sadness for them ... something i cant explain ... -- but maybe something that helps in astral traveling is that i try to travel with the presence of my animal spirit guide (like i mentioned before , i like shaman-ism , so bear with me .) and when i do encounter other spirits , sometimes they could be unfriendly , but i never really pictured them as demons ... just maybe angry ... or then again , lost ... -- i don't know ... again , its confusing ... but does anyone think that this could mean something ... (I'm only asking because I'm curious , and to be honest , i don't know much about religious subjects) ... (i mean that aren't bible related subjects ) . sorry for the questions ... I'm just curious ... Tanks .Saber
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Jul 23, 2010 16:37:16 GMT -5
Post by tivikat on Jul 23, 2010 16:37:16 GMT -5
I saw "Drag Me to Hell" I loved the part where they fight in the little ford focus. It was almost like foxy boxing or women mud wrestling. That movie was pretty funny.
So I think I need to answer your question in a few different ways, Saber.
I'm not Catholic. I was raised Catholic and as I got older, it wasn't the religion for me. Nothing really is. But I still keep some of the fundamentals of it because that's what I grew up with. I think when I killed the demon, that's when I chose a side. I kind of felt empowered and almost wanted to make a hobby out of killing things (not really). I need to lay off the video games and cheesy hero movies.
I've read your post and I'm still trying to get a clear understanding of it but it's hard. It's not anything you said, I struggle a little bit with the whole neutrality concept. So I think it's easier to compare good vs. evil to a historical war like the allies vs. the axis powers in WW2. I think using a metaphor might make it more concrete.
We as Americans (and other Allie countries) felt the axis powers were evil and they certainly were but you have to look at the groups of people and factors that feed the whole Nazi movement. First most, there are the victims, the ones who die at the hands of Nazis. Then there are the citizens who know what's going on but if they don't go along with it, they'll end up with the victims. Then there are the propaganda fed citizens who are mislead into believing the cause. Then the soldiers, the captains, the officers, the war machine. And then the ones that control it all the generals, the Gestapo, and the leader of the Nazi party himself. I think there are varying degrees of good and evil and nothing is just black and white, just a spectrum of varying shades of Grey. I view things as that we're the pawns in a game that is at the hands of greater players. We have free will and nothing is written in stone but our decisions are limited by the the influences most directed at us. Where I was going with this is that you mentioned that they feel sad or unhappy not specifically evil. I think I read something that said that they give off sadness because they were lured with empty promises to do evil. So they're just stuck fighting someone else's battle. Like I've said before even when I felt something evil, they had different motives and they played different roles.
Keeping in mind the war analogy, if factors of a war haven't affected you personally you're not likely to pick a side and join in. If you don't pose as a threat, a conflict of interest, something with abundant resources of value...etc, etc..they are not likely to come and get you. Not saying this to you personally but just in general.
Since you feel that there is neutrality between you and these entities, it could be perhaps you haven't provoked them, you don't put out the emotions that they like to feed on, you're already protected from harm, or studying astral projection has given you control over the situation.
I don't study it, it just sort of happens to me and I'm not in control. I'm a very reactive person so I think thats how I've ended up as bait. I salted my room yesterday and it's made me feel a little bit better.
To be honest, I have a hard time believing in angels. I just never felt the presence of one. So I don't know what kind of emotions they emit. But I remember though a few times when I projected, I comforted people and tried to protect them.
I hope this helps. If my analogy sucks, I'm an engineer not a history major, lol.
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Jul 25, 2010 15:50:25 GMT -5
Post by Saber on Jul 25, 2010 15:50:25 GMT -5
thx for your answer , yeah it helped me understand more ...
and again sorry if my post was kinduv complicated .
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Jul 31, 2010 9:14:44 GMT -5
Post by wildcat on Jul 31, 2010 9:14:44 GMT -5
I have mixed ideas about ghosts really. I wouldn't say that they don't exist, and I find it annoying when people say that when people feel or see ghosts that they are making it up - a lot of people generally do see and feel strange things. Occasionally I have. Personally, although I won't say I disbeleive in ghosts, since I don't really know if they exist or not, I try to keep an open mind and think "There are a lot of things we can't explain." This is because, in theory there are many different dimensions, and realitys, that we will never be abke to comprehend. Maybe what we thought were ghosts, or demons, actually turned out to be interactions between realitys, or prehaps something else? There are many things not visible to the human eye. Or prehaps, as it is in some cases, it is in the mind, the brain playing tricks. Not that it makes it any less important. So I generally have an open mind to such things. That's just my opinion at the moment. Tell you what, though, I'm still going around with that salt Once I left my homework on a table downstairs, next morning I came down to find the corner burned! The table underneath it was fine though!
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Jul 31, 2010 11:04:46 GMT -5
Post by Saber on Jul 31, 2010 11:04:46 GMT -5
i think my problem is that i don't see demons as enemies in my astral projection so i never fight them or if i think its a little us-less as they never seem to really attack , they just stand there , there like guarding ... is that possible like ''demon'' guardians ... I mean i feel there energy , and yes it could be dark ,negative , but never really a treat ...
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Aug 6, 2010 20:26:11 GMT -5
Post by Saber on Aug 6, 2010 20:26:11 GMT -5
back to spirits ... tonight i was at home alone my parents where meeting family and i was standing in front of my room in the hall and i got the felling something held my hand , didn't pull but it felt like it wanted me to follow , (the energy i felt) it was as if whatever it was it wanted my help , wanted me to follow ... but as for what i think , its wasn't an angelic being almost felt like demon ... i always get the impression that theres a dark spirit in my home ...or simply around me ... but i feel like , it doesn't feel like what a demon should , its not evil ... I've been reading about demons , and I'm starting to really convince myself , not all demons are evil , there just demons ...
but the feeling i get from this is that , it wants something , like help , because it feels like it's sad and wanting help ... or its stuck ... but i get the impression that even if this is a demon (could be) that it almost is a guardian compared to others ...like i did some astral traveling and saw other demons that wanted to scare , or where evil ... but others , where just there ... not enemies... but if i think of the demon presence i feel in my house ... i feel uncomfortable , but i feel like it projecting its sadness ... like , a ghost , (i never really met a ghost presence , unless this is one .) people usually get an uncomfortable sensation , but don't necessarily feel like its against them ...
argh ... this kinda freaks me out ... but still ... at least i don't feel like it is an enemy ... but enemies i do feel them ... but seem to be outside ... and almost feels in a way like they don't pass this demon's ''territory'' ...
Is there a possibility of a sort of ''demon guardian'' ... if so , i think i might be with one ...
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Aug 14, 2010 23:11:38 GMT -5
Post by bagheera on Aug 14, 2010 23:11:38 GMT -5
I can't really do much about spirits, but i can feel them and most of the women in my family have seen one at some point. Aideaile: <quote>"my encounters tend to be more in the dream or astral realm. I've been attacked in my dreams and in my Astral travels and the damage is so bad to extent that I feel it in the waking world. Three of my friends can even see the "scars" that I've received due to these encounters."<quote> This sounds like a 'hag-attack'. Lots of people who do lucid dreaming have experienced it. There is a lady called Michelle Bellanger who did a lot of podcasts on energy work and talked about this a few times. Her podcast is called Shadowdance. I believe there was an episode on therianthropy as well. She also works with a few paranormal societies and ghost hunters since she can see them. Maybe she can help.
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Aug 15, 2010 11:57:50 GMT -5
Post by Saber on Aug 15, 2010 11:57:50 GMT -5
Shadow Dance ... hum ... that makes me think of Shadow Totems , It's like your negative totem animals , "demons" that bring you misfortune .
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Aug 15, 2010 12:43:15 GMT -5
Post by tivikat on Aug 15, 2010 12:43:15 GMT -5
omg, where to begin...
I haven't been on in a while because I went on vacation and now I'm back packing up, getting ready to move home.
Before I left for vacation, I started feeling uncomfortable in my room, scared to sleep, turn my back on certain spots, feeling paranoid so I salted my bed and my windows and doors. That made me feel much better. and so I went on an amazing vacation to Ireland and Scotland.
When I came back, after a few nights I felt uneasy again. One night I dreamed that a black dog kept following me, despite what was going on in the dream or even if the dream changed. I'm not sure what that means. The next night, I didn't sleep. I felt panicked and like my environment was too intense and I kept having strange incoherent thoughts. The next night, I was having strange incoherent thoughts and I felt like something raspy was whispering in my ear.
I'm curious and a bit scared of what's going on but nevertheless, I sure am glad to be moving home. ;D
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Aug 15, 2010 13:08:18 GMT -5
Post by Saber on Aug 15, 2010 13:08:18 GMT -5
I think the black dog thing is a symbol , that exacly what I feel there is in my house , but never really found it treatning tough , It does freak me out . I got the same paranoid feeling but in my own room , I've lived here for like 4-5 years and never got it , It feels like something Is watching me ...
arr... mayebe I am just Paranoid ... Or going Mad ... Oh well lol ...
Question : about the salt , does it , well make the "felling " or "presence" go away . I've heard about the salt thing just never tryed it out .
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Aug 15, 2010 13:30:30 GMT -5
Post by tivikat on Aug 15, 2010 13:30:30 GMT -5
I only did it once in this room. I ran out after that (didn't want to bring it on the plane home with me)
It wasn't an instant drastic change. (I don't feel a presence like a particular entity, but more like energy in the air) But the next few nights, I slept like a baby. It could have just been psychosomatic, since I know salt purifies, I will feel assured it will do just that.
I think it's more like a temporary fix. Salt moves, gets blown around.
Ugh, I can feel like right now. It always comes from one corner of my room.
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